Steinbach: “The first real wave of shock in Tehran”

Iran’s foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif wants to give up his Post. What is the impact of possible withdrawal for Israel and the Iranian nuclear agreement would have explained middle East expert Udo Steinbach in the DW-Interview.

-Foreign Minister Mohammed Javad Zarif (li.) and President Hassan Rouhani (file photo)

Deutsche Welle: Iranian foreign Minister Mohammed Dschwad Sarif has announced on the Internet his resignation, the President Ruhani but does not want to accept. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu commented this with the words: “lucky we got rid of him”. Why is Netanyahu so on Sarifs announced withdrawal be happy?

Udo Steinbach: Because Sarif is always the man of Iran to the international community. Sarif is the conclusion of the nuclear agreement, which has been Israel, Netanyahu, is radically opposed. When this man stepped back now, Netanyahu, that it comes to an exacerbation of tensions between Iran and the international community over the nuclear deal and that the international community is pushed more and more into the Israeli and American camps.

Sarif was always the friendly, moderate face of Iran, he is not a Hardliner. You could not be there on the Israeli side, also will be glad to have someone like him in the foreign Ministry?

The Problem for the Israelis was that Sarif the international community has actually sold something, namely the nuclear deal from the Iranian side. And now the Israelis see as a much clearer fronts. You slowly start to see that in Iran, the hardliners in Power might assume that tensions between Iran and the international community – including between Iran and Israel, also with regard to the missile program. Israel, it seems that it has a much lighter Stand, a militant policy towards Iran to enforce. The Sarif difficult and Netanyahu thinks, it would now be easier.

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What impact would it have for Israel, if Sarif back really?

At the moment, I would not speculate about what impact will it have on Israel. What we are seeing now is the first real wave of shock in Tehran. The tightening of sanctions in November of last year, there has been no clear answer in Iran – neither domestically, nor in terms of foreign policy. And now it might be in the fact that Sarif was stepping down, because he feared that his policy of compensation is not accepted by the West any longer, that he feared that the Radicals might again have more to Say. But this is first and foremost an internal political rejection. The extent to which the transform is to be seen in the next weeks and months. But overall, I think, actually, that the power may represent a takeover by the hardliners of a escalation of the confrontational politics between Iran and the international community, Iran and America, and, above all, Iran and Israel.

What does it mean for the future of the nuclear deal, if the designer of the nuclear agreement, withdraws?

Since it is not, of course, all too well. But the Iranians are waiting to see, of course, still, what the Europeans are doing. And the Europeans have done something that is very Important, as you have been able to drive made a kind of trade agreement with Iran, trade and change. That is not unimportant for the Iranian society as a whole. Everyone who belongs to Iran, the government must consider that this agreement is at least theoretically considered for a large part of the Iranian Public in a positive light – even with the moderates in Iran. Who designed the Iranian policy in the next few months, will come to pass that Europeans have shown much good will and that they were very determined, the militant American and Israeli policy.

Middle East Expert Udo Steinbach

That is, the nuclear agreement will continue to be under pressure, but it would not be the end for the agreement, if Sarif would resign.

Exactly. If the Radical should exaggerate in Tehran, however, things in fact, if the pressure and provocations from Tehran to be too big – let’s say the fact that you pursued abroad, the opposition, or that you cover the rocket program and then the Position of the Europeans would be weakened. Then, the Position of the Moderates would be weakened overall. This could actually mean that the nuclear deal remains on track.

Udo Steinbach is a eremitierter scholar of Islam. He was inter alia head of the German Orient-Institute and Director of the GIGA Institute for middle East studies.

The Interview was conducted by Rachel Klein.


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